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Welcome to Hadley Presents.

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I'm your host, Ricky Enger,

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inviting you to sit back, relax,

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and enjoy a conversation with the experts.

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In this episode, we explore the BlindShell Classic,

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a smartphone alternative

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for those who are blind or low vision,

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and joining me is Hadley learning expert, Steve Kelly.

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Welcome to the show Steve.

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Hey Ricky, how are you?

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I am great.

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I'm so glad that you could join me

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to talk about the BlindShell.

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This is a really cool device

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and looking forward to diving into all of the things

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that it can and can't do.

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Before we do that though, for those who aren't familiar

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with you yet,

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from Get Up and Go

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and various other discussion groups

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and even a podcast

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that you've done on Hadley Presents,

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tell us a bit about who you are and what you do.

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Well, I'm Ricky.

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I'm a learning expert at Hadley

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and have been doing that for about a year,

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and prior to that I was a vision rehab therapist,

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working with clients out in the field for a local agency.

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And in addition to what you do for Hadley,

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you actually sometimes get lucky enough to receive devices

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that you can review.

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So for example, in Access World,

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you have a couple of articles taking a look at some devices

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and one of those just happens to be the BlindShell.

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Yeah, I was very fortunate to get a demo

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of the BlindShell and really had a lot of fun with that.

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So let's talk about what it is.

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In the intro, we call this a smartphone alternative,

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but you know, that could mean just about anything.

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What are we talking about when we say,

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a smartphone alternative?

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What is the BlindShell?

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Well, you know, that's not a bad description.

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I would also say it's like a hybrid.

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If people remember what the candy bar phones looked like,

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you know, half of the phone was the number pad

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and the other half of the phone was a display,

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and it was probably about the same size as say,

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one of the older iPhones, I don't know,

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maybe about a quarter of an inch thick.

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So it, you know, it's not real heavy,

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but I would call it a hybrid

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because it's got the dialing pad still on it.

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And not only that,

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but there's plenty of space between the buttons

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and they're labeled in white on black

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and in large print.

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So for those of us with low vision,

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it makes it pretty easy to see.

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And the button spacing is one thing

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that often does come up for many.

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Just having a touch screen is not the thing,

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either because of neuropathy

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or it just feels like an awkward user interface.

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We like to have that tactile feedback.

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We like to be able to touch the one and know that it's a one

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because it feels familiar, like a keypad.

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So having button spacing where you can determine

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where you are on the phone,

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what button you're touching,

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and not try and press one button

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and instead press three at once

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because they're so close together.

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So that's excellent,

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as well as having this nice high contrast interface

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so that it's very easy to tell what you're touching.

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You know, it may sound like a minor thing

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and particularly to somebody who's younger,

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but I can just tell you from working with clients

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who grew up using a phone that had buttons

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that you could feel,

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it's really, it's a big deal.

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I mean, people are still looking for that.

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it's just older folks who are looking for that.

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I think a lot of people just do better

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with a button that they can feel

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and a keypad, you know,

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where they can position their fingers

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and know where the numbers are.

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So this is a phone that can work well

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for those who are totally blind

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and those who are low vision.

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that there are features for both.

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So I'm assuming that the phone does talk.

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of the very first things I noticed,

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was that literally, out of the box,

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as soon as you press the power button,

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which is also the back button,

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it begins talking to you

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and to me right there, I mean that,

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everything about that was accessible.

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I just thought from that moment forward,

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the phone starts with text to speech, bravo.

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Whether, you know,

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whether you're gonna use the phone visually or not,

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It just told me that right out of the box,

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it's accessible and you don't always find that .

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That was just great.

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That's true.

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Oftentimes when you get a phone that is a smartphone

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or something else that's off the shelf,

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you're looking at starting the accessibility features

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by pressing a button or you know,

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saying something, dictating it

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and you are able to to launch that.

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But this happens right away.

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So not only does it talk,

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but I'm assuming that there are some text features as well

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that make it usable for someone with low vision.

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What's available for making the display look comfortable?

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Yeah, there are quite a few options.

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If I remember correctly, we have two text options,

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one of which I really didn't like the name of,

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it's huge text.

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It's about the size of a newspaper headline.

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So what happens is you get a few letters on the app

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that's describing it.

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Like for example, contacts.

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When you have it set as huge,

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you're not gonna see contacts all on one line.

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It's gonna break and wrap to the second line.

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But the great thing is, it's nice and large

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and it is in high contrast on the phone

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and you've got a couple of color options too.

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I just immediately chose white letters

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on a black background, which was nice and easy to see,

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but you've probably got more options on this

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than you would find on any other flip phone

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in terms of changing background and foreground color

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and the two text sizes,

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while there's not a whole lot of variation,

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both are large and the larger text size is pretty good.

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this not being a smartphone

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and that there are smartphones,

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and this isn't one of them,

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but we haven't really talked about

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what differentiates a smartphone from,

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I guess you would call it a feature phone.

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you might think, well,

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something that isn't a smartphone,

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all I'm gonna be able to do with it is maybe call someone

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or call emergency services if I needed to,

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and beyond that, there's really not much else there,

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but I think that's not an accurate description, right?

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What can you do with this phone,

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even though it isn't a smartphone?

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What it does have is,

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it has apps that have been developed

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for BlindShell specifically.

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And the cool thing is really I do think

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that there's somebody really thinking

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about usability at BlindShell.

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As you go through some

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of these tools like object tagging.

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Object tagging is just something where, you know,

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you can put a code,

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there's a sticker of the size of a postage stamp

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that you can put on something

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and then you can identify it by recording a label on that.

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So each time, you know,

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the phone sees the code on,

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I don't know, say your CDs

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or maybe something in the freezer,

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it will read that label back to you.

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to find on a smartphone without downloading the app

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and perhaps buying the tags to do that.

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So it is nice that this kind of thing exists

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on a phone developed specifically for those

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who are blind or low vision.

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What about some of the more basic things?

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Can you text with it?

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Can you check your email?

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What kinds of things can you do?

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And are there things that you might have expected

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to be there that weren't?

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Let me address the first couple of things.

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of the basic things that you might want to do.

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You can certainly text or message.

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You've got an app for contacts.

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You also have an app for emails,

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which I think is great.

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One of the really nice features

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is the dictation on this phone.

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if you were doing texting or an email,

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you could simply press

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and hold the volume up or volume down buttons.

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If you do a long press on those,

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it begins the dictation.

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Dictation is quite good.

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You know, there's a notes app as well.

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So you could use the dictation on the notes app

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and there was actually on the main menu,

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a manual and you could click on the manual

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and there's the whole user guide is right there

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in text to speech.

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And I just thought, wow, you know, that is beautiful.

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I just love that, you know,

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so it's like you can right away go in

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and research all of the stuff

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that you might wanna know about the phone

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and you don't have to hunt it down on a website.

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Back to dictation for a moment.

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Did you find that you used dictation more often

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as you were playing with this phone

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and getting familiar with it?

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Well, I was never particularly good

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at the old style texting.

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like five or six letters,

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I would just go ahead and text it in.

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then I would use the dictation.

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Good dictation is something that is of interest

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to me to begin with.

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So, you know, as soon as I realized

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it looked pretty good,

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you know, I went right to the notes app

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and was able to dictate, you know,

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several sentences, nice and clear

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and a hundred percent accurate.

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You know, I'm sure that I could have dictated something

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that wasn't a hundred percent accurate

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'cause that's just the nature of these things,

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but it was excellent and it was pretty easy.

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Let's talk about pricing then,

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because that's always a biggie.

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You know, sometimes you find a piece of technology

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that would really, really benefit you as a blind person

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or as someone with low vision

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and then you discover, $6,000, what?

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What are we looking at?

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And this will be US-centric pricing,

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although BlindShell is available outside the US as well,

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but we'll concentrate just for the,

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for the sake of this discussion on US pricing.

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What's that like?

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I think if you buy it from LS&S

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or like AT Guys, it's $349

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if you buy it from BlindShell, it's 399.

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you're looking at mid $300 for the phone.

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for the moment, right?

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So it'd be T-Mobile, AT&T,

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anybody else who's got the GSM.

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So you could walk into one of those stores

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and say, "I'm signing up for a plan."

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And they go, "Hey, here's this free Android phone."

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There isn't anything wrong with Android

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and everybody likes free,

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but the thing to keep in mind is

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that many manufacturers will take what Google has done

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with Android and they will change that significantly,

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and so what can happen is that the accessibility features

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that Android does have,

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don't make it onto those lower-end/free phones

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that you get with your plan.

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There are even some flip phones that exist,

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but they certainly don't talk

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and they have few, if any low vision features.

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So free is not always good in this case, I think.

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There was one client in particular,

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although there have been several clients over the years,

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but you know, she was like this classic case

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of going into, you know,

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one of the GSM stores

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and looking for an accessible phone

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because she had recently lost her vision.

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And so they handed her the low end Android phone.

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You know, don't get me wrong,

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I'd fight for my Samsung Android phone

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because I really love it.

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But one of the things that I discovered working

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with this client was

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that the TalkBack just didn't work on the phone.

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It was broken.

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I actually went and checked with another store,

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the same model, just to make sure that it wasn't me

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and the training process that was broken,

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but in fact the TalkBack just did not work.

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So we really struggled with that

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and the client just was not able to do something

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as simple as dialing the phone

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without using the Google Assistant.

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That was the only way she was able to do it.

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So in a lot of ways, you know,

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when I see a phone like this,

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which is pretty rock solid in terms of the accessibility,

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at least the time that I used it,

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that person's gonna be able to use and it's gonna work.

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It's gotta be a challenge for people

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who are either looking for a new phone themselves

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or people who are the experts in the field

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and they're being asked, what phone should I use?

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Should I get a smartphone?

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Should I get one of these things,

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like the BlindShell?

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You know, why might someone gravitate

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toward something like the BlindShell

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as opposed to an iPhone or an Android phone

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because they both are accessible,

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but it's a very different user experience.

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You're so right,

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and I think you bring up a really good point.

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A lot of times people want something that will,

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they can just make a phone call

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while they're out walking.

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So in a situation like that,

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you know, a flip phone that is accessible is perfect

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and it doesn't need all the features of the BlindShell.

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But then you have people that want to be able

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to do something like,

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well, I'd like to check my email

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and I'd like to do some texting on it.

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And you know, I just discovered, for example,

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that BlindShell had added a YouTube app,

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which seems to work really, really well.

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So, you know, when you start hearing that people want some

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of those other features,

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that's when you start considering,

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okay, so maybe the BlindShell would work for them

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or maybe they should go on to a smartphone.

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Are there features that immediately come to mind

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that you don't see on the BlindShell

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that you would need an actual smartphone to access?

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The one that comes to my mind right away

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is either BARD, or Bookshare, or both of those.

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There's currently a book reader

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and a media app that's available.

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So you could connect the phone to your computer using USB

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and you could just download a book

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or like an audio book

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or just a textbook,

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put it on the phone

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and use the book reader to read it.

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But those are two that I would love to see.

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And it really doesn't have a web browser per se.

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Although adding YouTube

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and internet radio really, you know,

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that covers a lot of stuff for people.

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It absolutely does.

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The one thing that you probably don't see

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without a web browser or a specialized app,

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you're not gonna see social media, right?

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So no Twitter, no Facebook,

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if you're hoping to keep up with your children

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or your grandchildren on social media,

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this is not what you're going to use to do that, right?

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So you would go to a PC or perhaps a smartphone.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I think for some people that,

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those are gonna be deal breakers.

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And I think one thing to keep in mind

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is that you can have different needs

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that don't all get met by the same device.

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So for example,

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you may wish to browse the web,

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you may wish to do some online shopping,

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and those are things that you might find better suited

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to a computer,

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whereas taking the BlindShell with you,

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you know that you're able to text,

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you know that you're able to call someone,

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and you could check your email in a pinch,

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and that's really all you care about a phone for.

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And so it does nicely fit into that niche, I think.

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Yeah, it does.

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And you just reminded me too,

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of one of the apps that's on the phone that's,

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it's kind of interesting,

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it's called Localization.

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Localization is a GPS app on the BlindShell

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where when you're outside,

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it really does not work well inside at all,

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but when you're outside

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and you're able to connect to a satellite,

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you press the button and it will tell you

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what address is closest to you,

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and it was pretty accurate.

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And I thought, you know, for the casual walker,

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somebody who may not be up to using a GPS on a smartphone,

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what an ingenious app.

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I mean, sometimes that's all you need

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if you've gotten yourself turned around, right,

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is to find out this is the address,

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you know, now I've got an idea of where I'm at.

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Absolutely.

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So it's not full fledged GPS,

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but it really doesn't need to be.

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For a lot of people, I don't think it does.

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But you know, again, if somebody really wants direction,

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street to street, turn by turn walking directions,

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then this is not gonna work for them.

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As we kind of come to the end here,

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let's say that someone is interested

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in getting a BlindShell phone,

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and that's available directly from BlindShell

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as well as places like AT Guys and LS&S,

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that's only a part of the puzzle, right?

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So you would still need to have a phone plan

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that's not included in purchasing the device itself, right?

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Yeah, that's correct.

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I mean, you would need to take,

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for example, I took my demo to,

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I use T-Mobile for mine.

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So I took it in to them,

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they got me a SIM card,

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they added it to my plan,

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and you pay the monthly plan.

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And I think with this too,

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you're gonna need a little bit of data

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and which I had on my second plan.

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So those are things that you will definitely need.

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And that is a question that we may not be able

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to answer ourselves, but may come up.

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So it's a question that those of you

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who are listening might want to ask back

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in say like the nineties or so

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we had a smartphone plan,

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which you had to have data for,

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and then there was a feature phone plan

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where you had a tiny bit of data,

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but it was treated as kind of a different tier.

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And so it may be that you're not going to be using a ton

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of data with this feature phone.

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And so when you go in, ask your provider about

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what data plans are available

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and if this phone is considered a feature phone,

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can you perhaps pay less per month

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to get access to talk and messaging.

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And you know, in the nineties it was like 300 megs of data

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or something like that,

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and it's probably changed since then.

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But just see if there are tiers

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that you don't have to pay

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for unlimited data that you'll never use.

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You know, I think you have to be

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honest with yourself too.

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I mean, since the phone will connect at 4G,

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you've got pretty good connectivity

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with both YouTube, internet radio,

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the things where you're gonna have

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some streaming services, right?

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So if you're really into streaming services

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and you're not gonna be near WiFI,

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you're gonna be out and about a lot of time,

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you are gonna be using a fair amount of data.

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On the flip side, you know, it connects nicely

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to WiFi, it's pretty easy.

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So, you know, if you're gonna be doing

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that streaming stuff at home, or at school,

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or work where there is a WiFi,

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then that'll take care of that data usage for you.

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So for those who wish to,

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they can check out the show notes

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and read your Access article,

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which goes into greater detail about what's available

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in the menus, an overall description of the phone,

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and it also covers some of the things

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that we've touched on here.

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Do you have any final thoughts, Steve,

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that we didn't touch on

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that you feel like we should mention before wrapping up?

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You know, I was just really impressed with,

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again, the overall accessibility.

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And you know, sometimes we've had this conversation

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before too about accessibility.

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Accessibility can be different than usability.

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You can have something that's very accessible,

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but really it's not usable,

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meaning it's just clumsy.

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And so you find both with this phone,

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which is really something I like.

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And as I mentioned before,

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it does seem like a pretty solid phone.

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The menus were all working.

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It wasn't quirky.

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And even YouTube, which clearly is going out

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to the internet and coming back again,

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worked really, really well on this.

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And I think is gonna be easy for a relatively new user

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for some of these features.

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Thank you so much for

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spending a little time, Steve,

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and telling us about this really cool device.

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Oh, it's been a great pleasure.

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Thanks Ricky, I enjoyed talking with you today.

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