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<v ->When technology isn't your
favorite thing, it can be hard</v>

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to find tools to make your
life easier without the

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frustration of learning
something complicated.

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In this episode, Sam Seavey
from The Blind Life joins us

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to explore a few options.

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I'm Ricky Enger, and this
is Hadley Presents.

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Welcome to the show, Sam.

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<v ->Hey Ricky, thank you so
much for having me back.</v>

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<v ->Yes, indeed.</v>

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We didn't scare you away the
first time, so I'm really happy

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to have you back.

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And I imagine that most
of our listeners know

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who you are, but there might
be one or two who don't.

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So for that group who's
a little newer to things

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and haven't discovered you yet,

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why don't you tell us a bit
about yourself and your channel?

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<v ->Sure, absolutely. Well,
my name is Sam Seavey.</v>

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I am an assistive technology
specialist based in Kentucky.

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I run an AT program at a
nonprofit here in Kentucky,

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but most people probably know
me from my YouTube channel,

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where for 12 years now,
which is kind of crazy.

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I've been creating content
online, sharing my life, living

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with vision loss

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and with a heavy focus
on assistive technology.

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That's what I do for a
living, and that's what I love

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and I love talking about it

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and sharing that on my YouTube channel.

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And so The Blind Life YouTube
channel has become a great

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resource online for information
about assistive technology

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for all types of vision impairment.

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<v ->Fantastic. And of course,
we will have a link to</v>

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that in the show notes
if you haven't checked

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that out before.

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And I'm so happy to have
you here because I think you

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and I probably have similar
conversations with people

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as you're doing things for your channel

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and as you're kind of doing
your day job, as it were.

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I bet you have a lot of
conversations just as I do

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with people who are not
in love with technology.

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It's a little bit intimidating,

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but they still are
thinking, well, you know,

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I wanna try out a few things, hoping

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to make things a little easier on myself.

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So I wonder if you have
just a couple of ideas

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for something that's
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not super complicated, that
people can start with just

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to get that feeling of success, right?

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<v ->Yeah. They just wanna, they
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the, the technology world,

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<v ->Right?</v>

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Exactly.

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<v ->Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You're absolutely right.</v>

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That's, that's the main
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especially at the nonprofit
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people losing vision later in
life due to some some reason.

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And so they're brand new to this,

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they have no idea about it.

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They don't know how to
navigate those waters.

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And a lot of them, they
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to dive fully into this, into this world.

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<v ->Yeah. - And they, and
they don't, you know, they,</v>

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they don't have these, these
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I'm gonna be a a a tech wizard
and, and know everything.

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They just want to, they just want some

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solutions for everyday life.

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<v ->That's exactly right.</v>

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<v ->Yeah. And so I, I love to
focus on those types of things.</v>

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And one thing I, especially
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one thing I recommend
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the old school tried

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and true monocular, it's,
it's one of the first tools

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that you're introduced to
when you start to lose vision

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and can be very helpful for
a wide variety of things.

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And monocular, if anybody's
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just one half of a pair of binoculars.

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You, you take one of them like a telescope

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and shrink it down to something handheld,

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something portable, and
you've got a monocular.

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But they're, they're,
they're super versatile.

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They can be used for distance
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for, for near viewing.

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I know a lot of people
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to see their computer
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to watch television.

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It's just, it's just a
wide variety of things

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that they could be useful for.

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<v ->And it's so portable, right.</v>

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You know, it's, it's handheld
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with you if you're gonna
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and you're trying to read
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for example, or I mean,
anything that you're doing

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where you just need that closer look.

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<v ->Yes. Yeah. And, and oftentimes
you can even get a put 'em</v>

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on a lanyard, wear 'em around your neck.

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They're very low key, you know,

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they just fit in the palm of your hands.

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So if you're, if you're concerned
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using some type of, of big,
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you don't have to worry about
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So I love those.

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The other thing that I wanted

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to mention too is I love the gadgets

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that you can use in your home to, to help

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with those everyday tasks
that maybe you enjoy doing

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before you started losing your vision

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and now you're struggling
with one of my favorites,

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absolute favorites

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and was a game changer for me in my life,

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is a talking food thermometer.

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<v ->Oh yeah.</v>
<v ->It's so simple.</v>

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And once again, it's kind of old school,

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but can be a huge
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You can imagine cooking
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chicken's probably the
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I might be able to just look

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and cut it open and look, okay, no pink.

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Alright, we're good, but
I can't do that anymore.

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So being able to put
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and push a button and have
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to me and knowing that, okay,

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chicken 1 61 65, as long as
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you're over that, you're good.

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It's safe. It just brings
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<v ->Yeah, that's a really great example</v>

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because so much of what we talk

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with people about is those
practical everyday things

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that maybe you didn't think about before

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and suddenly you're faced
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that's done yet or not?

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We'll, we'll have links in
the show notes to couple

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of examples of both those
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Some great examples.

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I think sometimes people maybe need

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that extra little motivation.

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It's one thing to say, well,
I need to learn such and such.

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And it feels like a, a
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that you'll get to.

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it's like you dread it in a way

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because it's something that
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for and so on.

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I think that changes the
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Right. So do you have
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that have been made a little bit easier

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for you when it comes to technology

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that might actually be
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<v ->I run into this all
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guys do as well.

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Especially working with,
like I said, people

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that maybe aren't, aren't tech savvy

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and they're new to all of this

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and we're trying to stress to them

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how helpful this would be.

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You know, if we just
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it's gonna be incredibly helpful for you.

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But I always like to
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it can be overwhelming,
especially when you're like, okay,

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we're jumping on the computer
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or we're learning the smartphone.

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And then you start to say, oh,

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it can do this and it can do that.

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It can do this, and here's
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So I always like to
stress, okay, baby steps.

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You don't have to learn
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I do this a lot whenever I'm
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'cause that's one of the things
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with clients, is learning
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like voiceover talk back.

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And I say, you know, it
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There's a lot of gestures,
two finger, three finger,

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four finger, you know, zigzag,
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triple tapping, all of this stuff.

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But you don't need to know 99% of that.

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I've been using it for years.

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I'm an expert on all these things

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and I don't even use 99% of that stuff.

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Let's focus on the
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the fundamentals here, these
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what you're gonna need
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So let's just baby steps,
let's take it slowly

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and just focus on this right now

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and then we can build on
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But I think that helps
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It, it kind of helps to calm the anxiety

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and put it a little bit into perspective.

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<v ->Absolutely.</v>

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And if you say, you know, at
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to, I don't know, text your grandkids

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or, you know, maybe call an Uber

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or whatever it is that is

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that practical thing
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The end goal isn't to
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to do the thing with the gesture.

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Hey, I can use my phone

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to actually make phone calls. Imagine

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<v ->That.</v>

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Yeah. Yeah. I have to, I
have to do that. Quite often.

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Work it with clients. They
say, well, I just want to,

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I just wanna be able to delete emails.

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I was like, okay, yeah, I get that,

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but I'm gonna teach you
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because then you'll be able
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But you'll also be able to go on Facebook.

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You'll also be able to
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You'll, it, it opens up a whole
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as soon as we just learn these
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<v ->Absolutely. So you have
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that have been around forever.

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Certainly a monocular has.

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the smartphones have
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in the last few years.

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And it seems like everyone has one,

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but sometimes there's some new things

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that are also worth checking out.

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It's not always just,

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it's a flash in the
pan, it's a lot of hype.

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And then suddenly who cares
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Are there any new gadgets

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or apps that have come
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that you think this is actually
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<v ->Well, yes, and of
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to talk about, that the
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I, you know, there's,
there's a lot of really,

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really interesting things that
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and have come out recently.

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Who knows whether they
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and become those, those tried

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and trues sometime in the future.

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But they're really cool right now.

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there's a lot of new wearable

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like the Meta Ray Band
Smart Glasses have been out

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for a couple of years now

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and that's, that's really gotten a lot

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<v ->Oh yeah. We get a ton of calls on those.</v>

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of my videos recently is,
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So that's very exciting.

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Actually, envision, which is a company

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that also creates wearables, they,

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they just announced a
partnership with Solos

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who is a company that makes smart glasses

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to bring out a similar
product as the Meta Ray Band.

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Smart Glasses, but one
that's developed specifically

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for the blind and visually
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So that's, that's pretty exciting.

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There's a lot of really
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that have come out recently.

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Of course, the We Walk Smart
Cane version two came out last

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year, and that was a vast
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over the previous version
of the We Walk Smart came.

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So that's really looking pretty,
pretty interesting as well.

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I, I tell you, I was just
at the NFB conference

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in New Orleans.

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There was a company there from
Japan, I think they were a, a

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subgroup of Honda,

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and they were debuting these,
this navigational device

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that fits inside your shoes Oh, wow.

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And provides haptic
feedback for navigation.

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So you, you know, it's connected
to an app on your phone

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and you put in your
destination, say, I want to go

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to Starbucks, and it will
do turn by turn navigation,

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but you will feel the haptic
vibrations in your shoes

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telling you which direction to go.

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It was, it was pretty
interesting, you know, it maybe,

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maybe kind of quirky,
kind of maybe gimmicky,

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but in theory, you know,
it, it keeps you hands free.

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You can hold onto your cane,

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you can hold onto your groceries,

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you can hold onto your guide dog.

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And you're still getting that,

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<v ->That feedback, right?</v>

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Yeah, yeah. And nobody knows. Yeah,

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<v ->Yeah, exactly.</v>

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Yeah. And, and very intuitive.

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I, I got a chance to test
it out and walk around and,

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and it was, it was very quickly
I could pick up, you know,

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how to use it and how
to, how to interpret it.

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And, and it worked really well.

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So who knows, maybe someday in
the near future we will have

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our clothing will vibrate
telling us where we need to go.

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<v ->That's really fascinating.</v>

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So, you know, I'm kind of
surprised we have made it

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through an entire conversation

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and we haven't used ai, we haven't said

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that word once now it was a word.

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Now it's time to change that.

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'cause you can't go a single
day without hearing someone say

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something about ai.

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And I think it's difficult if you are on

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the periphery of this, like
you don't know a lot about it,

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but everyone is talking about it.

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It's difficult to figure out
how much of this is important,

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how much of this would be useful for me,

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and how much of it is just talk.

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So I'm wondering if you can just

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mention a couple of ways

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that AI is legitimately useful

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for the blind and low vision community.

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<v ->Yes. Ai, that's the hot new thing</v>

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everyone's talking about.

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They, they seem to be throwing
it into every product these

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days, but it legitimately
does have a place in

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assistive technology.

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You know, I talked about
it before where I think ai,

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the adoption of AI in assistive
technology will, will be one

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of those defining moments
in assistive technology.

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You know, when we look back
in history, you could think of

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of like, like Louis Braille
inventing Braille, KERS Wild,

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and, and the text to speech
developing that, I mean,

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even video magnification
has, has had a, a,

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a great impact in our world.

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Refreshable, braille
displays, all of these things.

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I think AI will be one of
those landmark inventions in,

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in, in, in assistive technology

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because it has the potential to help in

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so many different ways.

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It's, it's literally like
having a personal assistant

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with you, a sighted supporter
with you at all times, ready

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to read whatever you want to read,

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whatever help you find whatever
you're looking for is there,

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you know, you walk into a Starbucks.

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Okay, where's the counter?

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The counter is 15 feet
in front of you. Okay.

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Is there anybody behind the counter?

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Yes, there's a young lady
waiting there to take your order.

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Okay. Read the menu for me. Okay.

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What kind of chocolate items
do they have available?

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You know, it just whatever you need.

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I have a buddy who, he was
using one of these AI apps

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because he went into
Starbucks and he stood back

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and he took a picture and the
Starbucks had multiple lines.

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And he said, okay,
based on, on this image,

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which line do you think I should get into?

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Which will be the fastest? And
said, well, oh, that's cool.

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It's like, well, based on, you know,

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how many people are each line

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and the average time it takes
for, you know, someone to get

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through a line, blah,
blah, blah, blah, blah.

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I think you should go into
the lion on the right.

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And it worked. And so it's
just like, whatever you need,

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whatever your, your imagination
can, can, can bring up

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AI has the potential to help with

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<v ->Yeah.</v>

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And even shopping.

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So those things that,
whether you like to do it

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or not, you have to shop for groceries

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or clothing or whatever it is.

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And AI can be helpful
for those things too.

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I think you're right that it is,

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whatever you can imagine,

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can AI help with this?

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And the answer is, is probably yes.

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It may help a little
differently than your imagining.

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So it's worth having those conversations

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that whatever you're thinking about

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with AI is probably possible.

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Just talking through how that's possible.

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So another one is grocery shopping.

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Like, can I do my entire grocery shopping

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with the meta glasses?

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Well, you could,

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but it's gonna be a lot
of, what am I holding?

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What am I holding, what am I holding?

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Do you wanna say that 56 times?

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Or, you know, it's figuring
out not only how it can work

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for you, but how it can work efficiently.

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But it's so great that
there's so many options

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to explore, right?

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<v ->Yes. Yeah. And it definitely
kind of comes back to that,</v>

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that tried and true
philosophy of, of it's, it's,

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it's another tool in the toolbox,

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but it's not the end all be
all solution for everything.

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You know, for, for
example, grocery shopping.

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Yes, absolutely it can help
in a lot of situations,

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but you, you know, you
might also want to go in and

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and see if somebody's there available

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that can help walk around with you.

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'cause it's gonna be faster
and more efficient that way.

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But truly, you know,
yeah, I get that question.

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Also, can it announce dynamic events?

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Tell me when Bus three 15 pulls up.

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'cause that's what I'm waiting for

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or, you know, I'm waiting on a lift

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and it's a, it's a Honda
Accord, a blue Honda Accord.

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Tell me when a blue Honda Accord pulls up

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and no, like you said,
no, it can't do that.

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At least not yet, but it's,
it probably will very soon.

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And it's, it's gonna be
incredible when it does.

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<v ->Absolutely. And that's the cool thing is</v>

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that we are saying yet,

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because we know that
these things are coming,

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and especially if people are
thinking about how they want AI

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to be useful and asking those questions,

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then it becomes a reality at some point.

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Because if people who are
making these tools say,

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oh, I never thought AI
could be used in that way,

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but now that I know sure.

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Let's try and refine that.

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<v ->Yeah. A a great example of that is of,</v>

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of AI being used in really,
really interesting ways

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that people probably didn't even think of.

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There was maybe a year
ago, two years ago, one

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of the car manufacturers put
out this little demo video

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of a, a blind person riding in a car

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and sitting in the passenger seat

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and while they were being
driven down the street,

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and AI assistant voice was describing

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what was happening out
the passenger window.

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So as they're driving along,
it's describing the scenery

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and, you know, talking
about going by an ocean

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and there's waves and there's palm trees.

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And, and so imagine that you're,
you're driving along and,

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and maybe the conversations
kind died down.

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You reach out, you push a button

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and it turns on the audio
description for the world

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outside your window and
you can just sit there

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and listen to, to what's going on outside.

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It's pretty incredible.

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<v ->Yeah, it's awesome. You're gazing at the</v>

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scenery, so to speak.

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Right? Well, I think it's fair to say

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that whatever it is that you are doing,

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whether you're brand new to
figuring some of this stuff out

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or whether you do wanna
become one of those people

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who dives into the deep end,

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and a lot of us start in one place

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where we don't love the technology

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and then suddenly, oh, I
can do this, I can do that.

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And you become the other thing.

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But I think it's safe to say

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that there are tools out there for you.

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So it's an exciting time

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and a lot

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of those tools you're taking a look at on

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your YouTube channel.

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Right. Can you just go through two

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or three recent things that
you have put on your channel so

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that people have an idea of what

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to expect if they've
not visited it before?

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<v ->Yeah, absolutely. Well, I've done a ton</v>

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of videos on the meta
ray band, smart glasses.

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I, I always make a video
when a new update comes out.

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I have recently put out
a video, a full review

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of the new dot Pad X,

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which is a new full tactile graphics

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and multi-line braille
display from the company dot.

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And it's really, really crazy impressive.

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It can render full tactile graphics in,

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in a refreshable braille display.

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It's pretty awesome. And
then I do a lot of podcasts.

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I have a podcast, the
Blind Life podcast, so I,

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I feature a lot of the content

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that is featured on my YouTube
channel is also featured on

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my podcast as well as interviews

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with amazing people in the community.

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<v ->That is awesome.</v>

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So if you're listening,
you'll certainly want to check

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that out for some low tech

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and high tech ideas of

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what might make your life a little easier.

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Sam, it has been wonderful
having you today.

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It's been a great conversation.

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Thanks so much for exploring
some of this stuff with us

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and it's been a delight to have you back.

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<v ->And thank you so much,
Ricky. I appreciate it.</v>

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Yeah, it was my pleasure.

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