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Whether you're looking for
practical tips or motivation
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and encouragement, our guests
give info that can help.
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In this episode, we share
clips from our most popular
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episodes of 2025.
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I'm Ricky Enger and
this is Hadley Presents.
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If you're new to the show
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or if you've been
listening for a while now,
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you might be surprised at the range
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of topics we discuss here.
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I think Hadley Presents is
like a box of chocolates.
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You never know what you're gonna get.
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With this episode, we will
revisit some of the conversations
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that we've had over the last 12 months.
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It's a really great blend of
some very practical solutions
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to things that you might be trying
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to figure out in your daily
life with vision loss.
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And also we touch on things
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that you might be feeling
just navigating through some
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of these complex emotions
that you might have
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and what better place to begin than
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with some tips on cooking.
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Let's first hear from Don
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and Dia with some encouragement
on how to get started.
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I would say just give it a try
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and start slow.
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That's a huge part of this.
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To start out slow, use your
microwave for some of the things
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and then use your toast
oven or use your oven.
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Whatever you're more comfortable doing.
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You can use your crockpots,
you can use all of your,
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you know, gadgets.
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I would say to people
that are scared to start
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to just to start slow.
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And if you have a helper,
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that will also give you more
confidence to point out things
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and to show you things
that would make it easier
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for you to be confident about booking.
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That's great. And Don, what about you?
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Well, you start out slow
and you see what can I do?
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How can I work? And if it doesn't work,
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is there a way I can make it work?
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You know, how, how can
I do this differently
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that I can do this safely?
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And you just have to think about it.
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You know, it's, it's not just
thinking outside the box,
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it's also thinking inside the box.
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You know, what do you
have available for you?
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You know, all the stuff
that I have except for the,
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the two talking elements
that I already had
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and I was using since, you
know, I was 17 years old.
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But yeah, you, you just think about it
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and don't get frustrated.
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If you get frustrated with it, just stop
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and say, okay, let me
try something different.
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Sure. It's a little sloppy,
but it still tastes good.
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Awesome. And now how
about some practical tips
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for making your kitchen
experience less stressful?
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My two main pots are
enamel coated, cast iron,
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12 inch skillet, and a 10
inch five cord dutch oven.
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And what's great about those
is first you don't get heat
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coming up the sides.
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The top parts with handles
are, don't really get that hot
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because of the, the way
the induction range works.
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And in the beginning
I could see the inside
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because it was white, so
that really helped out.
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But I can also stir with one
hand, pour in with another hand
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and it's not gonna spin around.
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They're heavy, but you know, that's
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what I use mainly for my cooking.
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So I don't get the burn,
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but I only cook one thing at a time.
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'cause if I make more
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then when I put something down,
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I'll go to do something else.
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I'll have no clue what that, that item was
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that I just put down on the, on the table.
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Yeah. And I cook everything
like it's a stir fry.
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So I, everything that I'm gonna add
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to something is already put
into a bowl measured out.
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'cause I measure everything
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or I, I don't use measuring cups.
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I use the weight on everything
except for measuring spoons
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for spices and stuff.
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But everything else is done by by weight.
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and finger bowls are bigger
bowls and it's all in a line.
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So when I start going, I
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and I don't stop and grab
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because again, you're trying to do that
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and you got something cooking.
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So I just, I don't know,
it's just like a robot.
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I love how everyone has
different approaches to this.
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And so one tip that Don just gave is
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to have everything ready to
go before you even start.
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And that way you're
not frantically hunting
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around in your kitchen to
try and find something.
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Dia, what about for you?
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What would your tips be
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that have really helped
you the most in terms
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of figuring out how to
stay relaxed, have fun,
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and get what you need to
get done in the kitchen?
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As Don said, I also put
everything out on the counter
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as I know what I need.
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All my spices, all my refrigerated items,
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and I keep those on the
counter and then I add those.
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So that's one of the things
I line up everything.
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So my three items that
I absolutely love, love,
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love are, I have a lot
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of countertop lights that I work with.
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I have a light, a gooseneck
light that is mobile
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and I can point that over
the pot on top of the stove.
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So it helps me to judge
if I'm making soup.
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I know how much liquid or oil
that comes to the surface.
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I have to skim off my lights
are my life. I adore them.
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And I have at least 10 lights
around the counter right now.
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And they're always on during the day.
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They help me to see where I'm walking
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and also, especially when I'm cooking.
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So that's the one thing.
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And the second thing
is I use my hand a lot.
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I feel, I feel what's on the counter.
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I use my hand for measuring.
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And that's something that my
mother did that I never did
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when I had vision and
now I'm using that again.
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And that's really interesting
that, you know, it's kind
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of a full circle thing.
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And then my third thing is
I have an electric stove,
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which I'm not fond of,
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and I keep the electric burners on low
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and then I slowly turn
them a little higher
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and I stand over the
item that I'm cooking.
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I don't walk away and it's pretty boring.
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But I have to do that.
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I have to slow down
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and learn that I can't
walk away like I used to.
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Somebody told me this,
which is quite interesting.
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If you lose your sight
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or you lose any of your senses,
your other senses kick in.
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So my hearing kicks in
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and my tastes kick in a
great deal more than they did
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before when I had vision.
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So that's usually what works for me.
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As I said about the lighting,
that's so, so important.
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And then one of the most
important things that I am finding
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is to take inventory in your cabinets.
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Instead of buying another
olive oil container,
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look in the cabinet,
you probably have one.
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Or look in the cabinet, you
probably have garlic powder.
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I have like four garlic powders right now
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and I keep buying them because
I didn't know that I had them
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because I can't see them.
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So that's kind of another little tip.
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You know, one of the
things we hear a lot from our
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listeners is that they
feel like it's harder
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to leave the house.
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You know, there are new
logistics to consider,
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plus it might feel overwhelming
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because there are really
just a lot of unknowns.
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We were delighted to have James Ashworth,
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who is vice president
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of customer care at
Southwest Airlines, as well
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as a low vision traveler himself.
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And James talks through some
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of these unknowns with air travel.
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First let's hear some tips for
when you get to the airport,
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Because every airport, you know,
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operates somewhat independently,
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but most airline employees,
the, the obviously Southwest
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for sure, and then the
airlines that I've flown,
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they will help you navigate
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getting in and outta the airport.
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But basically what you do
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is you let them know if you
have accessibility needs,
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so the personnel at the
airline will be aware of
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what your accessibility is.
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And then they would know
when James Ashworth walks up
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and checks in, they
can look at the p and r
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and know, hey, you know,
there's an accessibility need.
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They can ask you what, what
services you might need
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or what help you might need
getting around the airport.
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That's great. We talked
about getting to the airport
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and to your plane and such.
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And presumably you're traveling
with some kind of bag,
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maybe it's a carry on, or maybe
you've done checked baggage.
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Do you have any thoughts
whether they are technical in
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nature or not, about
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how people can find their bag once it's
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time to grab it?
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Yeah, you know, this is
where I can get real creative.
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You can use tactile markers
on your particular bag.
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If you check a bag, depending
on your level of vision,
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you can use a color striping.
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I've seen that done before.
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Those are what I'd call, you know,
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non-technical if you will.
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And then there are some more
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advanced things that you can do.
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Like air tags.
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to individuals and I, I have an air tag
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inside my bag if I have to check it.
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But air tags are easy to help you locate.
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And there's other pieces of technology
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that you could stick in your bag
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that you can use apps on your phone to
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and audible alert inside your
bag to help you locate it.
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Because I think anyone who's nervous
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or has trepidation, I would encourage you
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to maybe the first time you travel,
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maybe travel with somebody.
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If you're like me
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and there are airports that
you frequent, I can assure you
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that you will have more
confidence the more you go in
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and out of a particular airport.
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You'll just get familiar
with the airport layout,
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you'll get familiar with the concessions.
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And when things are different,
you'll recognize it,
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you'll be able to ask.
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I think that builds confidence.
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And so I, I would absolutely
encourage your listeners
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to just try it. Give it a try.
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I totally agree, James,
if this is something
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that you wanna do, just jump in and do it.
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Of course, that's way
easier said than done.
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And that's not always
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because you're nervous or you're hesitant.
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Sometimes it's about just
not feeling motivated,
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not caring about doing those things.
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Even if it might be
something that you used
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to be really enthusiastic about.
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It turns out that those
feelings can be really common
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after a major life
change like vision loss.
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We had a fantastic conversation
with ophthalmologist,
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Dr. John Shepherd about this.
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You might not even realize
you have depression.
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And if you do, the method of addressing
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that depression might be a
lot different than you think.
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Let's take a listen. Are there things
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that people can do when
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that depression is
definitely related directly
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to this vision loss that they've got?
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You bet. So if you are discussing this
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with your primary care doctor,
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they do have different
options available to them.
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Certainly there are a number
of different medications
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that can medically treat depression.
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The primary care Dr. May refer you
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to a counseling professional,
a mental health professional
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who basically can administer
different therapies.
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One example is something called cognitive
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behavioral therapy.
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And these can be very helpful
to address the depression.
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I would say though,
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your bringing this up,
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and this is so relevant, if the
irreversible vision loss is,
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is a big part of the cause of depression,
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then low vision rehabilitation
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studied in regards to treating depression
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and have been shown to
be extremely helpful.
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Now, what are low vision
rehabilitation services?
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I'm a low vision
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So I'm a board certified ophthalmologist.
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You typically go to the eye doctor
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to manage your eye disease
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So that's not the work that I do.
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I actually manage the impairment
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to understand what areas
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of daily living the individual
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because of the irreversible vision loss.
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We then look at how they're adjusting
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and adapting to the vision loss.
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depression scale test.
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if there is a reason that
they need to see someone else,
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like the primary care
doctor to address that,
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we can have a compassionate
discussion about that.
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I will do a test to evaluate the quantity
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and quality of the
patient's remaining vision.
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So it helps me to know what
they have to work with.
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the wealth of resources
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that are available to the patient.
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So this can be adaptive
equipment, magnifying tools,
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telescopic lenses to
electronic magnifiers,
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head borne video eyewear,
working with computers
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and smartphones, addressing the challenges
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and seeing what types of
adjustments can help people
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to move forward
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and do the best that they can
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with the vision that they have.
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So in my office, I'll
develop a rehabilitation plan
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and I have occupational therapists
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that can implement the plan.
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And they do that in the patient's home.
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And they do it in the
office where they're working
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with adaptive equipment with
the patients in the areas
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of daily living in which
they're struggling.
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They can suggest modifications
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that can be made in the
environment in their home
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to help them to live
as safely as they can.
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We also will discuss other
services available in the
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community and online
resources such as Hadley,
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wonderful online resources.
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And that way you can become
familiarized with all the things
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that can equip you to
deal with these challenges
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as best as you can.
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of services make a dent on depression.
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And so you may need the medical treatment,
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you may need the counseling,
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but being aware of the resources
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and managing the challenges caused
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by reversible vision loss
certainly goes at the core
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of why depression with
irreversible vision loss occurs.
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And so it's a, it's a wonderful
treatment, if you will.
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I really like how Dr.
Shepherd frames this, you know,
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addressing some of those
practical challenges
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that are keeping you from doing
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what you wanna do can be such a relief
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and it can leave you feeling
a lot more hopeful about doing
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the things that you used to really enjoy.
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I think a big part of that
is finding the right tools
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that are gonna work for you.
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So that's something that comes
up a lot on Hadley presents.
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We like to introduce people to new tools
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and we like to explore some
of those things that have been
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around for a while, but that
people just may not know about.
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Sam Sevy from The Blind Life
YouTube channel always has such
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great info on this kind of thing,
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whether it's high tech gadgets
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or maybe something a little simpler.
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So we asked him to share some
of his favorite tools with us
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At the nonprofit where
I work is it's usually
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people losing vision later in
life due to some some reason.
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And so they're brand new to this,
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they have no idea about it.
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They don't know how to
navigate those waters.
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don't necessarily want
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to dive fully into this, into this world.
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Yeah. - And they, and
they don't, you know, they,
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they don't have these these
grand goals of, you know,
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I'm gonna be a a a tech wizard
and, and know everything.
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And they just want to, they just want some
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solutions for everyday life.
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That's exactly right.
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Yeah. And so I, I love to
focus on those types of things.
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And one thing I, especially
for people with low vision,
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one thing I recommend
quite often is the, the,
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the old school tried
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and true monocular, it's,
it's one of the first tools
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that you're introduced to
when you start to lose vision
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and can be very helpful for
a wide variety of things.
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A monocular, if anybody's
curious is well just,
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just one half of a pair of binoculars.
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You, you take one of them like a telescope
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and shrink it down to something handheld,
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something portable, and
you've got a monocular.
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But they're, they're,
they're super versatile.
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They could be used for distance
viewing, they could be used
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for, for near viewing.
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I know a lot of people
that will use them to,
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to see their computer
screens, to read with,
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to watch television.
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It's just, it's just a
wide variety of things
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that they could be useful for.
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And, and oftentimes you can
even get put 'em on a lanyard,
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wear 'em around your neck.
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They're very low key.
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You know, they just fit
in the palm of your hands.
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So if you're, if you're concerned
about being out in public
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using some type of, of big,
bulky attention drawing device,
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you don't have to worry about
that with a, with a monocular.
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We do have a tendency
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to talk a lot about
smartphones on the show,
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but we also know they can
be really intimidating.
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Let's hear Sam's take on that.
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Do you have some thoughts for things
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that have been made a little bit easier
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for you when it comes to technology
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that might actually be
motivators for people?
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I run into this all the
time, I'm sure you guys do
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as well, especially working
with, like I said, people
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that maybe aren't, aren't tech savvy
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and they're new to all of this
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and we're trying to stress to them
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how helpful this would be.
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You know, if we just
dedicate some time to it,
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it's gonna be incredibly helpful for you.
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But I always like to
point out that, you know,
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it can be overwhelming,
especially when you're like, okay,
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we're jumping on the computer
and we're gonna learn this,
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or we're learning the smartphone.
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And then you start to say, oh,
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it can do this and it can do that.
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It can do this and here's
where it can help you.
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And it can be overwhelming
for this, this new user.
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So I always like to
stress, okay, baby steps.
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You don't have to learn
all of this right now.
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I do this a lot whenever I'm
teaching mobile screen readers.
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'cause that's one of the things
I work on a lot with, with
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with clients, is learning
a mobile screen reader,
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like voiceover talk back
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and I say, you know, it
can do a lot of things.
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There's a lot of gestures, two finger,
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three finger forefinger,
you know, zigzag swiping,
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double tapping, triple
tapping, all of this stuff.
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But you don't need to know 99% of that.
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I've been using it for years.
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I'm an expert on all these things
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and I don't even use 99% of that stuff.
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Let's focus on the
foundational skills, the,
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the fundamentals here, these
three gestures, that's 95% of
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what you're gonna need
is these three gestures.
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So let's just baby steps,
let's take it slowly
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and just focus on this right now
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and then we can build on
the other stuff later.
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But I think that helps
for a lot of people.
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It, it kind of helps to calm the anxiety
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and put it a little bit into perspective.
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Quite often working with
clients, they say, well,
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I just want to, I just wanna
be able to delete emails.
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I was like, okay, yeah, I get that,
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but I'm gonna teach you
these gestures first
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because then you'll be able
to delete those emails,
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but you'll also be able to go on Facebook,
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you'll also be able to
check your voicemail.
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It, it opens up a whole other
world of possibilities as soon
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as we just learn these
couple of little gestures.
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Thank you Sam. You are
absolutely right about that.
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Now because we're talking
technology, we pretty much have
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to talk about ai.
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It's a topic that comes up again and again
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and people really wanna know about it,
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but not just kind of the hype with it.
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Is it actually a youthful thing,
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particularly when it comes to vision loss?
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So Eric Boli from Second
Sense in Chicago, along
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with Steve Kelly from Hadley
joined us earlier this year
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and we had a great conversation
where we drilled down
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and showed specific scenarios
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and specific AI tools
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that might work best in
those scenarios scenario.
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Here's just a little sample
of that conversation.
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So here's something I struggle with,
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and this is probably one
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that I will ask family
members more often than
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anything else.
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What is this mystery box in the pantry
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or you know, the mystery
bottle in the fridge.
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Is there a good way
that the two of you have
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for doing this using maybe
one of these tech tools?
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I do. And it's, it's
actually a two part answer.
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So a lot of those products
have either barcodes
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or QR codes on them
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that you can use the
product identifier in seeing
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AI to be able to see.
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And if it will read that,
then it works for you.
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And if it can't read it,
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it'll tell you that it can't read it.
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Well at that point you
can just switch channels
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and use the read function
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and it will read whatever is on
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that particular container or box.
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That's right. And seeing AI wins again,
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because this is
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what I do when I feel like
I have a little more than 10
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seconds because sometimes
it is a challenge to find
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that barcode or to read the text on
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that round can,
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and this again goes back to efficiency.
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Do you opt for the, I'm going
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to do this with AI
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or optical character
recognition or what have you?
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Or do I involve a human?
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Now the one thing that
I do is meta glasses,
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and this is something
they're surprisingly good at
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for a tool that was not
built for this purpose,
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it will use a combination of looking,
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maybe it glimpses a part of the logo
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and it glimpses a bit of the text
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and it will put that together
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to make a pretty good guess of
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what this product is that you're holding.
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So that would be just saying, Hey, meta
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what's in front of me?
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Or what product am I holding?
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And the fact that it's hands free makes
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that a really nice option as well.
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You know, over the years
I've used a, a number
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of different code readers,
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and like you, Ricky,
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I think I found them challenging
in the sense that you,
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you either have to spin it
around a couple of times,
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you've gotta be able to see
at least have a general idea
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where the code is and they've
gotten much faster again to,
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to, to repeat the usefulness of
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that has been particularly good with that.
503
00:24:04.850 --> 00:24:08.390
And like Eric was saying, just
with the, the reed function,
504
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you know, you catch a couple words
505
00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:12.860
and boom, you know, it's
a, it's a can of soup
506
00:24:12.860 --> 00:24:14.030
and it's tomato soup.
507
00:24:15.050 --> 00:24:19.220
How do people think
in general about which
508
00:24:19.220 --> 00:24:20.480
tool to choose?
509
00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:23.870
Are there, are there
criteria that you can mention
510
00:24:23.870 --> 00:24:27.890
that might help in that
decision making process?
511
00:24:27.890 --> 00:24:29.870
So I, I think one of the key things is
512
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that it's user dependent.
513
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.095
So each person's vision
loss is their own and,
514
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and how they need supports
515
00:24:36.290 --> 00:24:38.870
and assistance is different
from the next person.
516
00:24:38.870 --> 00:24:41.150
And, and that's not just a function of
517
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do they still have residual vision or not,
518
00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:45.110
but all sorts of varieties in that.
519
00:24:45.110 --> 00:24:48.590
Right? So what I
recommend to my clients is
520
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that they use each of these
in different environments so
521
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that they can see how
well they work for them
522
00:24:57.290 --> 00:25:01.220
and then use that experience of their own
523
00:25:01.220 --> 00:25:04.100
to help define which
tool they're gonna use
524
00:25:04.100 --> 00:25:05.690
in what scenario.
525
00:25:05.690 --> 00:25:08.270
Because sometimes people
find one interface easier
526
00:25:08.270 --> 00:25:09.350
to work than the other one,
527
00:25:09.350 --> 00:25:10.580
or they may find
528
00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:14.240
that their day-to-day usage
needs require something
529
00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:16.040
different from the other one.
530
00:25:16.040 --> 00:25:19.850
So I I have them explore
each of these when they can
531
00:25:19.850 --> 00:25:21.830
and make a decision from there.
532
00:25:21.830 --> 00:25:24.020
Yeah, I was just gonna say,
Eric, I think you're so right
533
00:25:24.020 --> 00:25:27.260
that the whole person dependent
thing is, is really critical
534
00:25:27.260 --> 00:25:28.460
because there are a lot
535
00:25:28.460 --> 00:25:30.500
of tools out there and
we're all different.
536
00:25:30.500 --> 00:25:32.720
So, you know, these tools
are gonna work differently
537
00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:35.660
for different people and the
thing to do is to figure out,
538
00:25:35.660 --> 00:25:37.760
you know, which one works best for you.
539
00:25:37.760 --> 00:25:40.610
And you know, the last
thing I I I would add is
540
00:25:40.610 --> 00:25:42.050
as I was looking over the list
541
00:25:42.050 --> 00:25:44.870
and thinking back through,
you know, like the, you know,
542
00:25:44.870 --> 00:25:47.930
how I've, I've done things
in the past, I just realized
543
00:25:47.930 --> 00:25:49.160
that there, you know, as somebody
544
00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:52.130
who had pretty decent vision
for, for quite a while,
545
00:25:53.060 --> 00:25:54.260
there's a certain amount of this
546
00:25:54.260 --> 00:25:56.090
that really touched my self-esteem.
547
00:25:56.090 --> 00:25:59.840
You know, so I was really
reluctant sometimes to try some
548
00:25:59.840 --> 00:26:01.790
of this, this stuff that, that, you know,
549
00:26:01.790 --> 00:26:03.080
the handheld magnifier
550
00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:05.780
or some of the other, even some of the,
551
00:26:05.780 --> 00:26:08.330
the smartphone stuff out in public
552
00:26:08.330 --> 00:26:11.480
around people at a cash
register or whatever.
553
00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:15.980
And you know, I I, I just
realized today it's like,
554
00:26:15.980 --> 00:26:18.290
you know, just like that
I'll just say, oh, you know,
555
00:26:18.290 --> 00:26:20.030
I don't see, well, can
you read that to me?
556
00:26:20.030 --> 00:26:21.740
Can you, can you prompt me
557
00:26:21.740 --> 00:26:25.130
or, you know, give me some
guidance or something like that.
558
00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.110
And that's so dramatically different than
559
00:26:27.110 --> 00:26:29.540
what it was like say 15 or 20 years ago.
560
00:26:29.540 --> 00:26:32.060
So, you know, kind of again, what,
561
00:26:32.060 --> 00:26:35.270
what you were both saying,
it's like, relax, take a breath
562
00:26:35.270 --> 00:26:37.640
and, you know, we all do
these things in different
563
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.290
ways and it's okay.
564
00:26:39.290 --> 00:26:41.390
You know, just figure
out your your own way
565
00:26:41.390 --> 00:26:43.770
and don't, don't let it steal your,
566
00:26:43.770 --> 00:26:45.030
that's the other important thing.
567
00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:48.210
I always love it when that happens.
568
00:26:48.210 --> 00:26:51.630
We start out talking about
something very practical.
569
00:26:51.630 --> 00:26:54.060
You know, how to choose
the right tech tool
570
00:26:54.060 --> 00:26:56.610
and we do get great info on that,
571
00:26:56.610 --> 00:27:01.020
but also we get to dive
into some of those things
572
00:27:01.020 --> 00:27:04.860
that you might be feeling about
having to use a tool, having
573
00:27:04.860 --> 00:27:07.770
to do things a little
differently than you're used to.
574
00:27:07.770 --> 00:27:11.310
And those are the kinds of
conversations that we'll continue
575
00:27:11.310 --> 00:27:13.230
to have on this show.
576
00:27:13.230 --> 00:27:15.990
And if there's a topic that
we haven't explored yet
577
00:27:15.990 --> 00:27:19.140
and you really wish that
we would let us know.
578
00:27:19.140 --> 00:27:22.290
We have contact info at
the end of the episode
579
00:27:22.290 --> 00:27:26.460
and of course we'll also have
links to the full episodes
580
00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:28.680
for the clips that we've shared today.
581
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.030
You can find all
582
00:27:30.030 --> 00:27:33.540
that in our show notes if you
wanna check out the episodes.
583
00:27:33.540 --> 00:27:34.650
And of course, each
584
00:27:34.650 --> 00:27:36.990
of those episodes has
their own show notes.
585
00:27:36.990 --> 00:27:40.830
So it's a lot to dive into. But
I hope you have fun with it.
586
00:27:40.830 --> 00:27:44.190
Thanks again to our fantastic guests
587
00:27:44.190 --> 00:27:47.580
and as always, thank you
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